Episode 89
Sharing your personal life on your podcast with Kat John
Have you ever experienced a vulnerability hangover? That sick feeling in your gut after you’ve shared something really personal. You feel exposed and wish you could take it all back.
A lot of experts in the marketing and social media space talk about the importance of being authentic with your audience. People want to see and know the real you. They want to hear what’s going on in your actual life so they can relate to you as a person, not just be fed the same old filtered nonsense.
But how much of your personal life should you share on your podcast?
And when does being authentic cross over into oversharing?
Someone who lives and breathes authenticity is Kat John, host of the popular podcast, Real Raw Relatable. Kat has a highly engaged audience on Instagram and her podcast has garnered a reputation for its vulnerable and relatable content. Her listeners lap it up.
I recently caught up with Kat to talk about her approach to sharing her personal life on her podcast. Considering Kat’s willingness to be vulnerable, I was really interested to hear how she navigates the boundaries between authenticity and privacy.
- WHERE TO FIND KAT JOHN:
- Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kat.john/?hl=en
- Podcast: Real, Raw, Relatable
- Website: https://katjohn.com.au/
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Transcript
Today we are chatting with Kat John who
Speaker:has a podcast called Real Raw Relatable.
Speaker:Kat is an authenticity coach.
Speaker:She has an extremely engaged audience on
Speaker:Instagram as well as a podcast that is
Speaker:very well received and highly regarded.
Speaker:I invited Kat on today because I thought
Speaker:it would be an interesting one to talk to
Speaker:someone that really gives what you think
Speaker:is like everything away on her podcast.
Speaker:She's extremely vulnerable.
Speaker:She shares from what's going
Speaker:on with her life at that time.
Speaker:They are very much personal
Speaker:journals, but they're also there
Speaker:to serve you as the listener.
Speaker:It's really coming
Speaker:from a place of giving.
Speaker:You can connect with her really
Speaker:easily because she is so authentic.
Speaker:And so I felt like I wanted to chat
Speaker:to her about how she does that.
Speaker:on a podcast, like how, especially
Speaker:when there's no one there on the
Speaker:other side, she also often has
Speaker:her partner Steve on the show.
Speaker:And I wanted to chat to her about
Speaker:boundaries because she is an authenticity
Speaker:coach and she is so relatable and raw.
Speaker:How much is left like behind the scenes?
Speaker:How much do you give
Speaker:versus keep for yourself?
Speaker:So I think you'll find this one
Speaker:really interesting from a podcast
Speaker:perspective because of that.
Speaker:If you're someone that likes to share
Speaker:or you feel like you don't share enough,
Speaker:but you still want a boundary there.
Speaker:Have a listen to this one.
Speaker:Cat is a wealth of knowledge and is
Speaker:also just a wonderful human being.
Speaker:Thank you so much for
Speaker:joining me here today.
Speaker:I went and had a listen back at
Speaker:your first episode, which was
Speaker:released on the 25th of June, 2019.
Speaker:It was called Pain to Power.
Speaker:Most of the time when I go back and
Speaker:listen to the first episode of any
Speaker:podcast, it's a bit of a cringe.
Speaker:You just start out and
Speaker:you kind of suck, right?
Speaker:Like, and that's fine,
Speaker:you're supposed to.
Speaker:But your first episode, I was
Speaker:like, Kat already sounds amazing.
Speaker:She already sounds like she's
Speaker:been podcasting for years.
Speaker:So hats off to you to begin with there.
Speaker:You actually did a really
Speaker:good first episode.
Speaker:Oh, thank you.
Speaker:That
Speaker:was not what was happening
Speaker:in the background.
Speaker:I tell you what, but I'm glad it's,
Speaker:I'm glad it came across that way.
Speaker:It was pretty good.
Speaker:I wanted to know why you decided
Speaker:that podcasting was something
Speaker:that you felt called to do.
Speaker:You really wanted to have one
Speaker:at that time for some time before that
Speaker:a part of the work that I practice is
Speaker:I have these true end results that I.
Speaker:I have very much at the forefront of my
Speaker:mind, and I guess I make the little steps
Speaker:along the way to fulfill that end result.
Speaker:And one of my end results was to share
Speaker:my heart's message on the world stage.
Speaker:I do this little process where I
Speaker:tap in, tune in, and then receive
Speaker:guidance as to what my next best
Speaker:step is in order to share my
Speaker:heart's message on the world stage.
Speaker:I guess at that point I had my
Speaker:Instagram platform and I had done
Speaker:some speaking gigs before that.
Speaker:ran facilitation circles, et cetera.
Speaker:But when I was in this little
Speaker:practice, the next best step
Speaker:was actually pretty gnarly.
Speaker:It actually, you know, I
Speaker:saw it visually in my head.
Speaker:It said podcast and it actually said
Speaker:the three words real, raw, relatable.
Speaker:I thought, Oh gosh, no, not a podcast.
Speaker:So I actually, it wasn't on my radar.
Speaker:But I was, depending upon what
Speaker:kind of believer you are in the
Speaker:world, I was called to do it.
Speaker:I thought, okay, well, if this is
Speaker:my next best step, then off we go.
Speaker:That was tricky trying to like
Speaker:actually show up to a mic.
Speaker:And speak, what am I
Speaker:going to speak about?
Speaker:What the hell is my message?
Speaker:That's the first thing that pushed
Speaker:me slash called me to do the podcast.
Speaker:That's, you know, really funny
Speaker:that I look at this now for you
Speaker:when you think like, what the
Speaker:hell am I going to speak about?
Speaker:You're now 239 episodes in,
Speaker:and most of them are solo.
Speaker:Actually, that's
Speaker:something that I think is.
Speaker:It's hard to do.
Speaker:How do you not repeat yourself?
Speaker:Do you have some sort of plan
Speaker:when you go to record episodes?
Speaker:Maybe you do repeat yourself.
Speaker:How do these actual episodes come into
Speaker:your brain that you want to talk about?
Speaker:In the beginning, I sort of had it
Speaker:mapped out as to like the first 10
Speaker:episodes that I wanted to talk about.
Speaker:The first thing with the name of
Speaker:my podcast being called Real Raw
Speaker:Relatable, it's real guidance,
Speaker:raw truths, and relatable stories.
Speaker:So that already just gives me
Speaker:free reign to really share my
Speaker:life and to share what's going
Speaker:on and all that kind of jazz.
Speaker:So in the beginning, I had
Speaker:10 episodes written down.
Speaker:I'm like, cool, I'll talk to those areas
Speaker:that I feel comfortable talking into.
Speaker:I've got lived experience.
Speaker:I can share real guidance, raw
Speaker:truths and relatable stories.
Speaker:And then what I noticed is like, for
Speaker:example, I'll use like COVID as an
Speaker:example, or when Black Lives Matter
Speaker:came about, I noticed that when I
Speaker:had pre set topics to talk about, and
Speaker:if I had already pre recorded them,
Speaker:for me, I noticed that I didn't feel
Speaker:comfortable when say big worldly
Speaker:things were taking place, like when
Speaker:the bushfires were taking place.
Speaker:And then let's say I had a podcast
Speaker:sharing about, X, Y, or whatever it may
Speaker:be, especially if I felt called to speak
Speaker:to what might be going on in the world
Speaker:and how my viewpoints could aid another
Speaker:human being listening to the podcast.
Speaker:So after that sort of realization,
Speaker:really what I do to this day is.
Speaker:I show up to my podcast recording
Speaker:area, no different to how I did
Speaker:way back when, you know, of how
Speaker:to tap into my next best step.
Speaker:I just, I close my eyes and I get
Speaker:quiet and I'll ask myself, what
Speaker:truth do I want to share today?
Speaker:There'll always be a different topic.
Speaker:So sometimes it might be super
Speaker:relevant in my life right now.
Speaker:And I feel comfortable to talk about it.
Speaker:It might still be super
Speaker:relevant in my life right now.
Speaker:But I can only share parts of it, or it
Speaker:might be something way from the past.
Speaker:I'm like, you know what?
Speaker:I haven't actually spoken about
Speaker:that angle of that particular topic.
Speaker:But what I'd say is the topics that
Speaker:I talk about, they're the parts that
Speaker:vary, but the underlying message and
Speaker:work and offerings to my listeners,
Speaker:that primarily stays the same, which I
Speaker:think is important because when it comes
Speaker:to foundational work to offer people.
Speaker:When there's foundational work, no
Speaker:matter what's going on in your life,
Speaker:relationship stuff, financial stuff,
Speaker:whatever it may be, if you can offer.
Speaker:Something foundational and concrete,
Speaker:it builds trust within, at least for
Speaker:my listeners that, okay, cool, no
Speaker:matter what's going on, I can apply
Speaker:this or that, or whatever Kat's
Speaker:offering and it just might work.
Speaker:Yeah, and then when you speak
Speaker:further to that, because
Speaker:there's so much vulnerability.
Speaker:In what you share, there's so
Speaker:much of your actual, like, life,
Speaker:what's going on for you, what's
Speaker:going on with your partner, and
Speaker:things that are going on, obviously
Speaker:you can talk about these things.
Speaker:Is there stuff that you still feel
Speaker:like is yours, that you don't share?
Speaker:There's definitely some areas where,
Speaker:for example, I'm a stepparent, or bonus
Speaker:parent, as the new terminology is saying.
Speaker:If I talk about that, I will talk about
Speaker:my experience with being a stepparent.
Speaker:My boundary is I won't go into the
Speaker:detail of the girls, or their mum,
Speaker:or Steve and their mum, because I
Speaker:don't have permission to do that.
Speaker:And that's not my story to tell, but I
Speaker:know that there are many bonus parents
Speaker:out there who are struggling and I'm one
Speaker:of them, but with being an authenticity
Speaker:coach and someone who really stands for
Speaker:authenticity, to me, being authentic is
Speaker:the willingness to be real and honest.
Speaker:I am willing to be real and honest.
Speaker:And to certain degrees, I
Speaker:I'll take you all the way in.
Speaker:And then there are other areas
Speaker:where I have to leave it.
Speaker:Just not quite superficial, but not
Speaker:as deep as where I could take it.
Speaker:So there are definite areas
Speaker:where there are boundaries.
Speaker:There are some topics like
Speaker:Steve comes on once a month.
Speaker:There are some topics that I
Speaker:would love to talk about, and he
Speaker:just doesn't feel comfortable.
Speaker:And I'm like, okay, I
Speaker:have to respect that.
Speaker:Maybe he will be happy to
Speaker:talk about that one day.
Speaker:Maybe he won't.
Speaker:But there's two of us in this on
Speaker:those particular episodes, so there's
Speaker:definitely stuff that's still mine.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And I think that's really
Speaker:important because depending on
Speaker:the type of podcast you have,
Speaker:it can be really like a journal.
Speaker:Really cathartic for the person,
Speaker:like the host as well, just
Speaker:delivering that information
Speaker:and getting it out of yourself.
Speaker:There's something about voicing your
Speaker:thoughts that's really powerful.
Speaker:And I really think that
Speaker:it's a testament to you.
Speaker:The fact that you can be vulnerable
Speaker:and share, but then also hold some
Speaker:things back for yourself, but share
Speaker:enough that people really feel
Speaker:like they know you, they connect
Speaker:with you, and they can understand,
Speaker:and it keeps them coming back.
Speaker:I think for anyone that has a podcaster
Speaker:who is looking to start one, I would
Speaker:absolutely recommend that you listen
Speaker:to Kat's show to hear how she delivers.
Speaker:Especially the solo content
Speaker:in the way that she shares
Speaker:the phrasing, the pausing, the
Speaker:invitation to reflect yourself as
Speaker:well as you're listening to it.
Speaker:These are all really
Speaker:valuable tools in podcasting.
Speaker:What don't you like about?
Speaker:doing a podcast.
Speaker:In the beginning, what I didn't like
Speaker:is that I didn't know what I was doing.
Speaker:I struggled with comparing
Speaker:myself to others.
Speaker:And I would say even up until this
Speaker:day, what I don't like about podcasting
Speaker:is really my own thoughts that I have
Speaker:about podcasting, if that makes sense.
Speaker:Like, Oh, is anyone listening to this?
Speaker:Does anyone still care?
Speaker:Does anyone care about real guidance
Speaker:for all true relatable stories?
Speaker:To be honest, now that it's, yeah, well,
Speaker:four years in, I actually totally didn't
Speaker:even realize it was four years in.
Speaker:Everything feels very comfortable and
Speaker:natural, so that's a nice feeling.
Speaker:But yeah, I'd say more than anything,
Speaker:it's the thoughts that I at times have
Speaker:when it comes to doubting my podcast,
Speaker:but then it's very quickly changed
Speaker:when I see people's messages and DMs
Speaker:and emails sharing how it's, it's
Speaker:helped them serve them, change them.
Speaker:So yeah, that's what it is for me.
Speaker:I think it's the nature of this medium
Speaker:because it's not like other things where
Speaker:you can post something on Instagram and
Speaker:then you get comments straight away.
Speaker:Or if you have YouTube, you get
Speaker:comments, you get feedback, people
Speaker:can respond to things even on.
Speaker:Spotify and things these days,
Speaker:you've got polls and you've got ways
Speaker:that people can connect with you
Speaker:and Twitter and all these things.
Speaker:Podcasting is another
Speaker:form of social media.
Speaker:Really, it is.
Speaker:It's actually a way more connected
Speaker:version of social media because your
Speaker:whole audience has the opportunity
Speaker:to see, to hear what you've delivered
Speaker:without an algorithm barrier to it.
Speaker:So it's actually the most connected.
Speaker:But.
Speaker:In a lot of ways, the
Speaker:disconnect is huge as well.
Speaker:You don't get the instant feedback.
Speaker:You don't get the hit of dopamine.
Speaker:And again, that's
Speaker:something I really like.
Speaker:I'm getting goosebumps thinking
Speaker:about that because I love that
Speaker:you don't, because it makes you.
Speaker:Think about it for yourself.
Speaker:More so than going outward
Speaker:and being like, I wonder what
Speaker:my audience thinks of this.
Speaker:You don't have that.
Speaker:You just deliver the content
Speaker:and see what happens.
Speaker:And you can see the download numbers and
Speaker:you can see how they've grown over time.
Speaker:And if you've had a podcast for a
Speaker:while and you're feeling a bit dejected
Speaker:or you've got these thoughts in your
Speaker:head like, Was anyone still listening
Speaker:or yeah, who are you doing it for?
Speaker:Are you doing it for them?
Speaker:Exactly.
Speaker:There's a few podcasts that I've
Speaker:done in the past where if they go
Speaker:down into the show notes, then they
Speaker:can access a particular meditation.
Speaker:And it's like years ago and just
Speaker:this morning I'm getting emails of
Speaker:people requesting that meditation.
Speaker:I'm like, Oh, I forget that people
Speaker:aren't just listening live and
Speaker:every week, like people will
Speaker:come in at very different times.
Speaker:When I receive emails, you know,
Speaker:those notifications, I'm like, ha.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:It reminds me to respect this medium
Speaker:more than what we just talked about, the
Speaker:Instagram type, which is, you know, post
Speaker:comment, post comment, post comments,
Speaker:like, oh, it can be a slow burn.
Speaker:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker:And when we look at other shows that
Speaker:are really taking off at the moment,
Speaker:like Diary of a CEO and Alex Hormozy
Speaker:and shows that are quite large now, when
Speaker:you actually go back and you look at
Speaker:how many years those people have been
Speaker:doing these shows, it's like six years.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Before it gets any anywhere.
Speaker:It's so true.
Speaker:I mean, that's the same as
Speaker:my social media platforms.
Speaker:Nine years I've been in my business
Speaker:and it's, it was only last year,
Speaker:not only, but last year where it.
Speaker:phenomenally grew.
Speaker:Well, you know, we're always like, I
Speaker:want this many downloads because that's
Speaker:how many downloads it says to have.
Speaker:And I think that that's one of the
Speaker:toughest things, whether you start
Speaker:your podcast or whatever it may be
Speaker:that you start, it's those thoughts
Speaker:that come along with that, that say,
Speaker:Oh, well, that's not good enough.
Speaker:That didn't get enough downloads.
Speaker:You didn't get a review.
Speaker:You didn't get a rating.
Speaker:You didn't get this.
Speaker:You didn't get that.
Speaker:So then, yeah, you might quit
Speaker:prematurely, but like you just.
Speaker:said, you know, six years, eight years,
Speaker:they might have had that show and just
Speaker:kept plugging away and, and you're right.
Speaker:You do it for you and you do it for
Speaker:the message, not for the accolade.
Speaker:The more you do it, as long as
Speaker:it's quality, it eventually gets
Speaker:to a place where you want it to go.
Speaker:And it's like any creative
Speaker:pursuit where it really has to
Speaker:be about you wanting to do it.
Speaker:Above all else, because if you stick
Speaker:at anything for long enough, then it
Speaker:becomes all your wildest dreams come
Speaker:true, you know, so that's awesome.
Speaker:For anyone who doesn't know,
Speaker:Steve is Kat's partner and you now
Speaker:have Steve on the show regularly.
Speaker:Was that a conversation you had with him?
Speaker:Was he like keen to do it?
Speaker:Did he come to you?
Speaker:Like, how did that actually come
Speaker:to fruition where you felt like I
Speaker:want to have him on more regularly?
Speaker:Yeah, it actually started
Speaker:from a few of my friends.
Speaker:So there's a few friends that, one,
Speaker:are in blended families, but also
Speaker:two that are just in relationships.
Speaker:And I would often share how
Speaker:Steve and I approach things.
Speaker:And there have also been times where
Speaker:Steve has been on the podcast and
Speaker:people have often written in afterwards
Speaker:to say, thank you, even just hearing
Speaker:the way you two speak and your dynamic
Speaker:and his perspective versus your
Speaker:perspective, they really enjoyed it.
Speaker:A few of my friends in my circle
Speaker:were like, I would love to hear
Speaker:more of you and Steve together, in
Speaker:some way, shape or form, like maybe
Speaker:you could start your own program.
Speaker:Maybe you could run a course together.
Speaker:And I wasn't sort of really feeling
Speaker:that I'm like, I don't want to
Speaker:just start a relationship course.
Speaker:It didn't feel right for me.
Speaker:But I do know because Steve and I used
Speaker:to facilitate some courses together,
Speaker:people loved our dynamic and he has a lot
Speaker:to share and he has quite a lot to say.
Speaker:And like I said, we have
Speaker:like a pretty cool dynamic.
Speaker:He and I are brutally, beautifully
Speaker:honest with one another and
Speaker:we really know how to clear.
Speaker:our shit very well and we've learned
Speaker:how to hold space for one another.
Speaker:So yeah, it was one of my friends.
Speaker:She just said, why don't you have
Speaker:him on the podcast like once a
Speaker:month or, and just see how it
Speaker:goes and see what that turns into.
Speaker:I thought that's actually not a bad idea.
Speaker:I didn't feel any resistance to that.
Speaker:And so I shared that with
Speaker:Steve and he's like, hell yeah,
Speaker:I'm totally down for that.
Speaker:And yeah, we, since we've started
Speaker:to do it, the amount of people that
Speaker:might just stop me in the street
Speaker:or say like that podcast between
Speaker:you and Steve that really helped.
Speaker:And it's no different.
Speaker:We don't have it all planned out.
Speaker:We just look at areas of our life
Speaker:that we have nailed or are nailing.
Speaker:And we look at the process
Speaker:that we've used to.
Speaker:Help us nail slash continue to nail
Speaker:it, but where we were before and what
Speaker:led us to needing to find a new way.
Speaker:And they're really popular episodes.
Speaker:They definitely create
Speaker:an impact for people.
Speaker:So it was again, organic,
Speaker:organic, wow.
Speaker:And so when you look back now on this
Speaker:journey, since June 2019, how do you
Speaker:feel like you've changed or how do you
Speaker:feel like the podcast has helped you
Speaker:personally, but also professionally?
Speaker:In terms of personally, it's that
Speaker:first episode I recorded nine times.
Speaker:I would get like seven minutes
Speaker:in and then I'd listen back
Speaker:and I'm like, nah, delete.
Speaker:Do it again.
Speaker:Seven minutes in.
Speaker:I'm like, nah, delete.
Speaker:And then after the ninth one, I was
Speaker:like, Kat, John, if you hit delete one
Speaker:more time, I'm going to delete you.
Speaker:I was so mad at myself.
Speaker:I was like, how on earth am I ever,
Speaker:ever, ever, ever going to do this
Speaker:fricking podcasting stuff if I'm just
Speaker:going to keep recording and deleting.
Speaker:So it helped me find my voice even
Speaker:more and own my voice even more.
Speaker:And that this is the way that I like to
Speaker:do things and this is my lane and cool.
Speaker:I can look to see what other
Speaker:people might do and be like, Oh,
Speaker:that's actually a great idea.
Speaker:Maybe I might introduce that or just.
Speaker:respect someone for doing it
Speaker:the way they were doing it.
Speaker:And I'm like, you know what,
Speaker:this is just what feels right
Speaker:and good and true for me.
Speaker:So personally, it helped me own my lane
Speaker:and yet get very comfortable in my voice.
Speaker:So it's like, all right, cool.
Speaker:What's my message?
Speaker:How am I going to deliver this?
Speaker:How can I, like what you said,
Speaker:offer a piece of guidance to them
Speaker:at the end for them to ponder about?
Speaker:So it helped me get very
Speaker:succinct with how to deliver
Speaker:a message to professionally.
Speaker:It really did amplify
Speaker:quite a lot, I guess.
Speaker:Like I said, I want to share my
Speaker:heart's message on the world stage.
Speaker:And more and more people started
Speaker:to then come into my coaching.
Speaker:It became an introduction.
Speaker:So if they saw me on Instagram and
Speaker:they're like, I like her vibe, then
Speaker:they would come into my podcast.
Speaker:They'd be like, Oh, wow.
Speaker:She's.
Speaker:She's actually got some real depth
Speaker:here and that would then help them
Speaker:feel comfortable with knowing what
Speaker:I'm about, how I process things,
Speaker:which would then make it much easier
Speaker:for them to book in for coaching.
Speaker:It all kind of clicked in, like the Zero
Speaker:Fucks Dance movement on Tuesdays, again,
Speaker:it would lead them into the podcast,
Speaker:but also too, like, I mean, just this
Speaker:year, there's been an LA TV producer who
Speaker:has reached out, who has listened to my
Speaker:podcast for two years, who's worked with
Speaker:Oprah, who's worked with Jada Pickett
Speaker:Smith and has said, I want to talk to you
Speaker:about creating a show, like a TV show.
Speaker:And I'm like, huh?
Speaker:And she's been listening to the
Speaker:podcast, you know, so a lot of cool
Speaker:things have definitely come about.
Speaker:My book deal with Penguin, again,
Speaker:they'd be watching on Instagram.
Speaker:They came onto the podcast and when
Speaker:they reached out, they're just like.
Speaker:If you can write how you speak, let's
Speaker:rock and roll in terms of coaching.
Speaker:It's been amazing in terms of like
Speaker:really quite big opportunities.
Speaker:It's also been amazing.
Speaker:So I never know who's listening.
Speaker:That's so cool.
Speaker:Again, you wouldn't have thought
Speaker:that when you started your show,
Speaker:you just started because you felt
Speaker:like you wanted to do a podcast.
Speaker:And then because it's vulnerable, it's
Speaker:real, it's authentic, it sounds good.
Speaker:You think about what you want to
Speaker:deliver, the content that you want to
Speaker:deliver, and you have quality content.
Speaker:People just recognize that.
Speaker:You can talk until
Speaker:you're blue in the face.
Speaker:And you can waffle and whatever.
Speaker:That's not quality content.
Speaker:So, what Kat said there was really
Speaker:important for you to take away.
Speaker:What's the message?
Speaker:And if I'm going to talk on something
Speaker:for 20 minutes by myself, how am
Speaker:I delivering that in a way that
Speaker:people aren't going to turn it off?
Speaker:Because that's something that
Speaker:Kat is extremely good at.
Speaker:So nice work Kat.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:I have one last question for you.
Speaker:What's your favorite podcast
Speaker:to listen to at the moment?
Speaker:Ooh, I'm listening to
Speaker:Michael Singer's podcast.
Speaker:He wrote the book, The Untethered Soul,
Speaker:and I don't think it's an active podcast.
Speaker:I'm pretty sure they are recordings of
Speaker:his teachings to particular students.
Speaker:There's three seasons so far.
Speaker:I'm just simply loving one, his message.
Speaker:And again, so if you, if you listen
Speaker:to that, his message is the same.
Speaker:His delivery is amazing.
Speaker:Hilarious, but then it's like very
Speaker:similar to what you're talking about.
Speaker:He's hilarious.
Speaker:He goes light, he goes
Speaker:dark and he goes deep.
Speaker:And it leaves you just like, Oh, cool.
Speaker:I didn't even have time
Speaker:to write notes down.
Speaker:Cause I'm just absorbing it all in.
Speaker:So, that's my favorite
Speaker:podcast at the moment.
Speaker:Wow.
Speaker:I'll have to go and check it out.
Speaker:And we'll put a link to that
Speaker:in the show notes for people.
Speaker:We'll put the links in
Speaker:everything to do with Kat.
Speaker:We'll be there.
Speaker:Easy for you to go and review,
Speaker:listen to, engage with Kat.
Speaker:I have had such a good time
Speaker:exploring Cat's podcast.
Speaker:Kat, thank you so much
Speaker:for joining us today.
Speaker:I really hope that you podcasters
Speaker:out there or one of you podcasters
Speaker:go and engage with some content
Speaker:here and feel better about just
Speaker:getting out there and doing it.
Speaker:Thank you.
